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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 3, 2014 9:45:19 GMT
I'm going to be sharing my thoughts on every former member of the Shield. Just to note, my personal thoughts are not facts and you have the right disagree with me.
Seth Rollins/Tyler Black/Colby Lopez:
Seth Rolins has worked hard to be in WWE. He went from being in a stable (Age of the Fall) in ROH to ROH World Champion (won from Austin Aries) to going on to WWE. He started out as a face and he quickly got over with the fans and obviously with the higher-ups because he quickly got a championship in WWE's developmental (then FCW). After a while WWE decided to buy FCW and turn it into NXT where Seth Rollins was part of a tournament that he won which made him the first ever NXT Champion.
Him being the first to have that shows how much faith WWE (or at least Triple H since he runs NXT) has in Seth Rollins. In my opinion, Seth Rollins has a very bright furture in WWE but I think WWE should turn face after their done with him being involved with Triple H. Rollins has shown he can be a heel but you will see his full potential when/if he turns face. His move-set and his look make him a great face and I don't think he'll end up like Kofi because he's more than a couple cool moves.
WWE made a great choice when they brought him in.
Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley/Jonathan Good:
This guy is 28 years old but you'd think he's been wrestling for 20+ years because he is such a natural. The character you see him play on WWE Television is the character he has always played. He started the character in the indys and it is now one of, if not, the best characters in WWE today. When you watch him talk in character and then you listen to an out of character interview with him it surprises you.
He is great in every way but if you don't remember him by what he does in the ring, you'll remember him for what he does on the mic. He knows what his character would say, do, move, and everything else. He knows what he wants with his character and he plays it so well that you would actually think he's crazy. If he doesn't become the next top guy WWE will be losing out on so much.
Ambrose is the anti-hero WWE needs and he will be the next top guy and he deserves it.
Roman Reigns/Leakee/Leati Anoa'i:
This one is interesting. I like Reigns and I believe he has a very bright future in WWE. He's great in the ring, good on the mic, has the look and has the size, he has everthing WWE is looking for. There is no doubt that he's going to be a top guy... and be hated as much as Cena. This is where it gets interesting.
Cena gets crap for "5 moves of doom" when Roman Reigns doesn't have that much of a move-set either. Cena gets crap for not being good on the mic when Roman Reigns isn't that good on the mic either. Cena gets crap for being overused but the same thing will happen with Reigns. My point is, he's not different from Cena at all yet the fans love Reigns and hate Cena.
Let me get back on track. Reigns has a lot of pressure on him. You have the fans expecting so much from him and you have the higher-ups also expecting so much from him. On top of that, he is part of the Anoa'i family, probably the best family in wrestling. That has to put so much pressure on him.
Dispite that, I'm sure he'll be headlining WrestleManias and putting butts in seats.
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Post by SRI on Aug 3, 2014 14:19:19 GMT
I completely agree with everything you wrote.
Seth Rollins
He is such a natural face. I never thought he would be the one to turn heel. I thought it would be Ambrose. But, now that we have seen him be the heel, I am surprised how good he is at being a heel.
Dean Ambrose
Same goes for Ambrose. I never thought he could play such a good face, as I always thought he is a natural heel. But he is great as a face now. I like his promos, who can forget one he cut the week after Rollins turned?
Reigns
I agree that Cena and Reigns are the same, but people don't hate him because (a) he hasn't been on top for 10+ years, (b) he hasn't won 15 championships.
Reigns has five moves like Cena as well, let me count;
1) Clothesline in corner
2) Uppercut; following which the opponent falls to the bottom rope
3) Running Dropkick to the apron
4) Sooperman Punch (not a typo)
5) Spear
I guess that's it. But again as I said, people don't boo him because he's new.
Wait for 5-6 more years, and we could see people booing whenever he starts the sequence.
All this will happen IF[/u] he doesn't change. We haven't seen him wrestle long matches yet, so we haven't seen his full moveset. Once we see him wrestle a long match, we can decide whether he would be good or not.
But looking at the current Reigns, I would rather have Cesaro in his position.
Reigns has been SUPER protected as well. How many RAWs have you seen which doesn't end with him spearing Kane or Orton, AFTER getting beat the hell out of him?
In the Evolution vs. The Shield match at Payback, HHH, Orton and Batista beat the hell out of him with kendo sticks, but minutes later we get BOOM! Sooperman Punch!
I didn't like how he broke Kane's Rumble record as well.
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 3, 2014 15:26:46 GMT
Cena and Reigns AREN'T the same. Cena NEVER had a varied moveset.
Reigns (if you bother to watch his old FCW matches) was very athletic and had lots of variety. Reigns is like Bryan, in that he dumbed his moveset down to get over, because wrestling fans don't like wrestling.
Roman is great on the mic. Idk what you speak of.
Seth Rollins: Keep him in midcard. He's crap on the mic and he's a spot monkey too.
Dean Ambrose: In-ring, he's getting better and he's great on the mic and portraying his character.
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 3, 2014 15:29:08 GMT
I completely agree with everything you wrote. Seth RollinsHe is such a natural face. I never thought he would be the one to turn heel. I thought it would be Ambrose. But, now that we have seen him be the heel, I am surprised how good he is at being a heel. Dean AmbroseSame goes for Ambrose. I never thought he could play such a good face, as I always thought he is a natural heel. But he is great as a face now. I like his promos, who can forget one he cut the week after Rollins turned? ReignsI agree that Cena and Reigns are the same, but people don't hate him because (a) he hasn't been on top for 10+ years, (b) he hasn't won 15 championships. Reigns has five moves like Cena as well, let me count; 1) Clothesline in corner 2) Uppercut; following which the opponent falls to the bottom rope 3) Running Dropkick to the apron 4) Sooperman Punch (not a typo) 5) Spear I guess that's it. But again as I said, people don't boo him because he's new. Wait for 5-6 more years, and we could see people booing whenever he starts the sequence. All this will happen IF[/u] he doesn't change. We haven't seen him wrestle long matches yet, so we haven't seen his full moveset. Once we see him wrestle a long match, we can decide whether he would be good or not. But looking at the current Reigns, I would rather have Cesaro in his position. Reigns has been SUPER protected as well. How many RAWs have you seen which doesn't end with him spearing Kane or Orton, AFTER getting beat the hell out of him? In the Evolution vs. The Shield match at Payback, HHH, Orton and Batista beat the hell out of him with kendo sticks, but minutes later we get BOOM! Sooperman Punch! I didn't like how he broke Kane's Rumble record as well. [/quote] For the RR thing: It's called putting over new talent. Did you honest to God think that the WWE was going to let Kane's record stand forever?!? If so, that's just stupid. |
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Post by SRI on Aug 3, 2014 15:47:44 GMT
For the RR thing: It's called putting over new talent. Did you honest to God think that the WWE was going to let Kane's record stand forever?!? If so, that's just stupid. I know, I didn't expect WWE to keep it forever, but still having someone break it in his first Rumble? (or was it second?  ) |
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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 3, 2014 16:00:12 GMT
Cena and Reigns AREN'T the same. Cena NEVER had a varied moveset. Reigns (if you bother to watch his old FCW matches) was very athletic and had lots of variety. Reigns is like Bryan, in that he dumbed his moveset down to get over, because wrestling fans don't like wrestling. Roman is great on the mic. Idk what you speak of. My point isn't the moves he's done, it's the moves he does. Roman Reigns is not great on the mic, he's not terrible either. He's good on the mic.Seth Rollins: Keep him in midcard. He's crap on the mic and he's a spot monkey too. He's actually alright on the mic. How is he a spot monkey? Explain please.Dean Ambrose: In-ring, he's getting better and he's great on the mic and portraying his character. What you said for Reigns could be said for Ambrose move-wise. Ambrose is overall the best in the ring compared to Reigns and Rollins. Actually it's hard to tell between him and Rollins, their both fantastic in the ring.My comments in blue. |
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 3, 2014 16:47:55 GMT
Cena and Reigns AREN'T the same. Cena NEVER had a varied moveset. Reigns (if you bother to watch his old FCW matches) was very athletic and had lots of variety. Reigns is like Bryan, in that he dumbed his moveset down to get over, because wrestling fans don't like wrestling. Roman is great on the mic. Idk what you speak of. My point isn't the moves he's done, it's the moves he does. Roman Reigns is not great on the mic, he's not terrible either. He's good on the mic.Seth Rollins: Keep him in midcard. He's crap on the mic and he's a spot monkey too. He's actually alright on the mic. How is he a spot monkey? Explain please.Dean Ambrose: In-ring, he's getting better and he's great on the mic and portraying his character. What you said for Reigns could be said for Ambrose move-wise. Ambrose is overall the best in the ring compared to Reigns and Rollins. Actually it's hard to tell between him and Rollins, their both fantastic in the ring.My comments in blue. Rollins lacks in-ring psychology and the fact that you think that he and Ambrose are better than Reigns in the ring just continues to prove the wrestling fans don't like wrestling. Not to mention, Rollins is boring on the mic. Ambrose is just starting to get better, otherwise he's mostly just a brawler. Being a brawler is good wrestling?? Cuz you know who else is a brawler? Cena. So saying that you think Ambrose is great in the ring, but you don't like Cena in the ring, you're just contradicting yourself. |
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Post by ati "The Hero" on Aug 3, 2014 19:20:08 GMT
Rollins
He's the best high flyer in a long time...
Okay, not the best, but the one that got the spotlight, and isn't RVD or Rey Injuryprone.
We could call him a spotmonkey, but show me a high flyer that got over, and wasn't a spotmonkey, from the last 5 years.
Ambrose
He's the meh guy of the team for me. I can't really say much about him, because i didn't see that much matches from him in which he wasn't "outshined" by Reigns. All i can judge about him is his attire, which makes him look like he either:
A:Forgot to get into his in ring gear
B:Is a redneck wannabe (and i don't really see why would anyone want to be that)
or C: Read B and A in this order.
Reigns
The boring one of the group in my honest opinion. He's just Samoan Cena, really. I don't care what he did in FCW, and i don't care if wrestling fans love wrestling or not, if he would really want to use those moves, he would use them. He's just Cena 2.0 The Rock Edition if you ask me. The only thing in which he differs from Cena is that he was in Nexus/The Corre instead of being beaten up by them when people started knowing him. If i'd want to watch someone cut a good promo, i'd go and watch RAW is WAR or Cena when he wasn't boring as hell. And i know that 79% of wrestling is promos and drama, but what? That 11% is still there, and if you want people to know you, by the way you fought in the ring, then don't just cut promos, and start shining instead of listening to the fans who don't know what they want. If i'd be Reigns, i would be more athletic to show the haters that i know how to fly, and maybe, but just maybe, don't turn out like Cena 2.0 without the championships and the fans.
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 3, 2014 19:46:21 GMT
RollinsHe's the best high flyer in a long time... Okay, not the best, but the one that got the spotlight, and isn't RVD or Rey Injuryprone. We could call him a spotmonkey, but show me a high flyer that got over, and wasn't a spotmonkey, from the last 5 years. AmbroseHe's the meh guy of the team for me. I can't really say much about him, because i didn't see that much matches from him in which he wasn't "outshined" by Reigns. All i can judge about him is his attire, which makes him look like he either: A:Forgot to get into his in ring gear B:Is a redneck wannabe (and i don't really see why would anyone want to be that) or C: Read B and A in this order. ReignsThe boring one of the group in my honest opinion. He's just Samoan Cena, really. I don't care what he did in FCW, and i don't care if wrestling fans love wrestling or not, if he would really want to use those moves, he would use them. He's just Cena 2.0 The Rock Edition if you ask me. The only thing in which he differs from Cena is that he was in Nexus/The Corre instead of being beaten up by them when people started knowing him. If i'd want to watch someone cut a good promo, i'd go and watch RAW is WAR or Cena when he wasn't boring as hell. And i know that 79% of wrestling is promos and drama, but what? That 11% is still there, and if you want people to know you, by the way you fought in the ring, then don't just cut promos, and start shining instead of listening to the fans who don't know what they want. If i'd be Reigns, i would be more athletic to show the haters that i know how to fly, and maybe, but just maybe, don't turn out like Cena 2.0 without the championships and the fans. *facepalms self to the point of passing out* |
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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 4, 2014 3:34:42 GMT
Rollins lacks in-ring psychology and the fact that you think that he and Ambrose are better than Reigns in the ring just continues to prove the wrestling fans don't like wrestling. Not to mention, Rollins is boring on the mic. Ambrose is just starting to get better, otherwise he's mostly just a brawler. Being a brawler is good wrestling?? Cuz you know who else is a brawler? Cena. So saying that you think Ambrose is great in the ring, but you don't like Cena in the ring, you're just contradicting yourself. I didn't say I don't like Cena in the ring and I'm not downgrading Reigns, I actually like Reigns. Ambrose was mainly a technical wrestler in the indys and in FCW, he changed his style like Stone Cold, The Rock, Cena, and others did. Stone Cold was a technical wrestler and turned into a brawler, The Rock started out as more of a high flyer and became a brawler, Cena used to wrestle like Kurt Angle's style and turned into a brawler (I just noticed a pattern, I didn't think that). But I wanted to ask, what psychology does Reigns have? Again, I'm not downgrading Reigns I'm just stating my own unbiased opinion on him. Also, I said Rollins is ok on the mic, I didn't say he was better than Reigns on the mic. You also didn't answer my question on what makes him a "spot monkey" (I hate that phrase because that doesn't make you a bad wrestler, especially in an industry that has different styles of wrestling). I wanted to say now that I am not arguing with you but you are coming off very rude for no reason, in my opinion. You may not be meaning to but you are, honestly. There is having a different opinion and then there is just being rude, right now you're on the being rude side. In my opinion, Ambrose is better overall than Reigns and Rollins but I think Roman has the brighter future of the 3. I'm not saying he's 100x better than them I'm just saying he's a little better than them. On the mic skill thing about Rollins, he started out in ROH where he was mainly a heel and he could swear and do whatever because if you don't have limits you can do a great heel promo. He's now in WWE where he can't do whatever and he's mainly been a face in WWE. I think that should be taken in consideration. But, I agree that out of the 3 he is the worst on the mic. |
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 4, 2014 4:24:03 GMT
Rollins lacks in-ring psychology and the fact that you think that he and Ambrose are better than Reigns in the ring just continues to prove the wrestling fans don't like wrestling. Not to mention, Rollins is boring on the mic. Ambrose is just starting to get better, otherwise he's mostly just a brawler. Being a brawler is good wrestling?? Cuz you know who else is a brawler? Cena. So saying that you think Ambrose is great in the ring, but you don't like Cena in the ring, you're just contradicting yourself. I didn't say I don't like Cena in the ring and I'm not downgrading Reigns, I actually like Reigns. Ambrose was mainly a technical wrestler in the indys and in FCW, he changed his style like Stone Cold, The Rock, Cena, and others did. Stone Cold was a technical wrestler and turned into a brawler, The Rock started out as more of a high flyer and became a brawler, Cena used to wrestle like Kurt Angle's style and turned into a brawler (I just noticed a pattern, I didn't think that). But I wanted to ask, what psychology does Reigns have? Again, I'm not downgrading Reigns I'm just stating my own unbiased opinion on him. Also, I said Rollins is ok on the mic, I didn't say he was better than Reigns on the mic. You also didn't answer my question on what makes him a "spot monkey" (I hate that phrase because that doesn't make you a bad wrestler, especially in an industry that has different styles of wrestling). I wanted to say now that I am not arguing with you but you are coming off very rude for no reason, in my opinion. You may not be meaning to but you are, honestly. There is having a different opinion and then there is just being rude, right now you're on the being rude side. In my opinion, Ambrose is better overall than Reigns and Rollins but I think Roman has the brighter future of the 3. I'm not saying he's 100x better than them I'm just saying he's a little better than them. On the mic skill thing about Rollins, he started out in ROH where he was mainly a heel and he could swear and do whatever because if you don't have limits you can do a great heel promo. He's now in WWE where he can't do whatever and he's mainly been a face in WWE. I think that should be taken in consideration. But, I agree that out of the 3 he is the worst on the mic. Stone Cold was only technical if you compare him to post-neck injury. Thus there is no pattern. Other than that Steve Austin was mediocre before he broke his neck. The Rock was actually alright before and after. Angle is not technical apart from his suplexes, so.... Cena was mediocre. I agree. And I did say what makes him a spot monkey. He lacks in-ring psychology like most high flyers today. They just hit these big high spots like nothing, instead of using that at an appropriate, big time to take back the match and get momentum. Having limits has nothing to do with the fact that Rollins sucks on the mic. Jake "The Snake" Roberts? |
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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 4, 2014 4:53:04 GMT
I didn't say I don't like Cena in the ring and I'm not downgrading Reigns, I actually like Reigns. Ambrose was mainly a technical wrestler in the indys and in FCW, he changed his style like Stone Cold, The Rock, Cena, and others did. Stone Cold was a technical wrestler and turned into a brawler, The Rock started out as more of a high flyer and became a brawler, Cena used to wrestle like Kurt Angle's style and turned into a brawler (I just noticed a pattern, I didn't think that). But I wanted to ask, what psychology does Reigns have? Again, I'm not downgrading Reigns I'm just stating my own unbiased opinion on him. Also, I said Rollins is ok on the mic, I didn't say he was better than Reigns on the mic. You also didn't answer my question on what makes him a "spot monkey" (I hate that phrase because that doesn't make you a bad wrestler, especially in an industry that has different styles of wrestling). I wanted to say now that I am not arguing with you but you are coming off very rude for no reason, in my opinion. You may not be meaning to but you are, honestly. There is having a different opinion and then there is just being rude, right now you're on the being rude side. In my opinion, Ambrose is better overall than Reigns and Rollins but I think Roman has the brighter future of the 3. I'm not saying he's 100x better than them I'm just saying he's a little better than them. On the mic skill thing about Rollins, he started out in ROH where he was mainly a heel and he could swear and do whatever because if you don't have limits you can do a great heel promo. He's now in WWE where he can't do whatever and he's mainly been a face in WWE. I think that should be taken in consideration. But, I agree that out of the 3 he is the worst on the mic. Stone Cold was only technical if you compare him to post-neck injury. Thus there is no pattern. Other than that Steve Austin was mediocre before he broke his neck. The Rock was actually alright before and after. Angle is not technical apart from his suplexes, so.... Cena was mediocre. I agree. And I did say what makes him a spot monkey. He lacks in-ring psychology like most high flyers today. They just hit these big high spots like nothing, instead of using that at an appropriate, big time to take back the match and get momentum. Having limits has nothing to do with the fact that Rollins sucks on the mic. Jake "The Snake" Roberts? He still changed from technical to brawler, my point still stands. I agree. I'm confused by that. Diving outside the ring once a match makes him a spot monkey? These are completely different times, that's a terrible comparison. |
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Post by iodill8 on Aug 4, 2014 5:02:21 GMT
Stone Cold was only technical if you compare him to post-neck injury. Thus there is no pattern. Other than that Steve Austin was mediocre before he broke his neck. The Rock was actually alright before and after. Angle is not technical apart from his suplexes, so.... Cena was mediocre. I agree. And I did say what makes him a spot monkey. He lacks in-ring psychology like most high flyers today. They just hit these big high spots like nothing, instead of using that at an appropriate, big time to take back the match and get momentum. Having limits has nothing to do with the fact that Rollins sucks on the mic. Jake "The Snake" Roberts? He still changed from technical to brawler, my point still stands. I agree. I'm confused by that. Diving outside the ring once a match makes him a spot monkey? These are completely different times, that's a terrible comparison. 1. Nope. Mediocre to utter crap. 3. Angle and Cena pre- Chain Gang and that such: Average. Not to mention his abusage of springboard moves. Also you're right. Compared to Jake's times, Rollins has MORE leniency. Yet, he still sucks on the mic. |
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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 4, 2014 5:22:58 GMT
I can't think of any springboard moves he does besides the springboard knee thing. I could be wrong but that's all I remember right now.
I think Rollins will get better at it, though. I don't see him becoming amazing at promos but he'll probably get a little better. I agree that he's not that good at promos either, I personally don't hate him on the mic but I don't like him on the mic. He's kind of just there when it comes to promos.
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Post by SRI on Aug 4, 2014 5:43:40 GMT
I hate it when people just throw out the term "spot monkey" (not you iodill8, but I have seen lot of other people do it). So he flies around the ring, and he's a spot monkey? He's a high flyer, people. That's his job.
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Post by WWEfan57 on Aug 4, 2014 5:48:59 GMT
I hate it when people just throw out the term "spot monkey" (not you iodill8, but I have seen lot of other people do it). So he flies around the ring, and he's a spot monkey? He's a high flyer, people. That's his job. I feel the same about the phrase, it annoys me. |
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Post by ati "The Hero" on Aug 4, 2014 8:21:53 GMT
RollinsHe's the best high flyer in a long time... Okay, not the best, but the one that got the spotlight, and isn't RVD or Rey Injuryprone. We could call him a spotmonkey, but show me a high flyer that got over, and wasn't a spotmonkey, from the last 5 years. AmbroseHe's the meh guy of the team for me. I can't really say much about him, because i didn't see that much matches from him in which he wasn't "outshined" by Reigns. All i can judge about him is his attire, which makes him look like he either: A:Forgot to get into his in ring gear B:Is a redneck wannabe (and i don't really see why would anyone want to be that) or C: Read B and A in this order. ReignsThe boring one of the group in my honest opinion. He's just Samoan Cena, really. I don't care what he did in FCW, and i don't care if wrestling fans love wrestling or not, if he would really want to use those moves, he would use them. He's just Cena 2.0 The Rock Edition if you ask me. The only thing in which he differs from Cena is that he was in Nexus/The Corre instead of being beaten up by them when people started knowing him. If i'd want to watch someone cut a good promo, i'd go and watch RAW is WAR or Cena when he wasn't boring as hell. And i know that 79% of wrestling is promos and drama, but what? That 11% is still there, and if you want people to know you, by the way you fought in the ring, then don't just cut promos, and start shining instead of listening to the fans who don't know what they want. If i'd be Reigns, i would be more athletic to show the haters that i know how to fly, and maybe, but just maybe, don't turn out like Cena 2.0 without the championships and the fans. *facepalms self to the point of passing out*  |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Aug 26, 2014 20:35:00 GMT
I think with Ambrose now off tv Ambrose will be clearly the most well rounded of the three. Which is what I've been saying for awhile. As much as people are clamoring for Reigns to not be the guy come Mania, the other option floating around was the Rock.
Sooo...theres that. I think at this point, Reigns needs work. He needs to establish himself as to what Roman Reings is? Who is he? The strong silent thing, works but it's very limited. It only works with guys that at least have some sort of gimmick. So if he's going to be Roman Reigns he's going to need to be a character of some sort.
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Post by justinlynch3 on Aug 30, 2014 6:53:47 GMT
Personally I think Ambrose should stop doing that slingshot clothline where he falls half way out of the ring, rebounds then clothine someone. Dunno, I just hate the look of it.
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